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X5 (E53) => How-To => Topic started by: Sanj on August 02, 2010, 02:09:23 PM

Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on August 02, 2010, 02:09:23 PM
If you have the comms pack with a screen up front it is possible to add a reverse camera. I tried 3 different cameras over the past couple of years and two different locations. I found having the camera mounted in the tow bar cover just wasn’t good to gauge distances. Besides it didn’t look OEM enough. I wanted to see my raer bumper in the reverse angle.

So this is what you’ll need:

1.   The camera, my preference is this one

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/nEO_IMG_002_044.jpg)

2.   Some wiring cable and the wiring diagram ***Use this one***

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/Camera20Wiring.jpg)

I removed the rear boot release, 4 screws and then a connector inside to get access to where I wanted it mounted. Just above the rear number plate.

Here is the piece with the colour coded plastic cover removed and the cut outs I made to house the camera.

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/100_0064.jpg)

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/100_0066.jpg)

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/100_0067.jpg)

Once complete you should get something like this.

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/101_0197.jpg)

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/101_0198.jpg)

And the view that comes out on the screen when you select reverse (some cameras will give you the guidelines – they’re not particularly accurate, more a gimmick).

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/101_0200.jpg)

Here’s mine removed and then colour coded recently to match.

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/photo-4.jpg)

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/photo2-3.jpg)

Total cost should be no more than £40. Not bad I reckon...
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on November 26, 2010, 06:43:10 PM
hi there,
i'm thinking of having a go at this mod soon....nice write up sanj!!
but ive a couple of questions:
do i need a pal or ntsc camera?
also on the ebay part;  
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Car-Reverse-Rear- ... 447wt_1014 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Car-Reverse-Rear-View-Backup-Camera-BMW-3-5-Series-/140453858129?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20b3b3cb51#ht_4447wt_1014)

the fitting instruction make no mention of needing a relay. does their fitting instructions seam correct?

cheers all..
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on November 26, 2010, 09:08:54 PM
Hahaa! I was wondering when this would get you!

You need the relay to switch the power so at £3.49 or £5 at best do it. Be sure...

And that camera seems a little deep in the back where it would recess into the light holder - check that first, sorry I can't remember.

Does say 3 or 5 series so not specific to an X5 install - mine works with the instructions I posted...

If you can source the same or similar camera I would go with that. Good luck and keep me posted, will help where I can. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: otas on December 11, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: "Sanj"
Hahaa! I was wondering when this would get you!

You need the relay to switch the power so at £3.49 or £5 at best do it. Be sure...

And that camera seems a little deep in the back where it would recess into the light holder - check that first, sorry I can't remember.

Does say 3 or 5 series so not specific to an X5 install - mine works with the instructions I posted...

If you can source the same or similar camera I would go with that. Good luck and keep me posted, will help where I can. :thumbsup:

Hi Guys, great mod. Can you tell if the camera from factorykiss-uk fits? What is its viewing angle?
I have barrell type camera from another project with LED to provide light a night. It is 35mm dia. I was thinking about drilling the BMW badge in the middle of blue and white and mounting the camera there. Any comments? If it did not work, I could buy a new badge and cover up the hole.
I hope that you will laugh now, please do so. Where do I look for the TV module??? I am new to this car and there are so many comparments with boxes... :oops:
thanks
otto
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: lezmtaylor on December 12, 2010, 09:03:52 AM
I drilled the bmw badge and fitted a barrel camera, don't look too bad , as has been seen at the Bristol meets.
No photos,can't do them.
Lez
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on December 12, 2010, 10:09:23 AM
Just remember you get no view of 'where' your car is in proximity to what your camera is looking at. So no idea of the distance.

Personal choice - I just didn't like it... (I went for the tow bar plastic cover - easier to replace than the badge - and route the wiring).
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: otas on December 12, 2010, 10:55:19 AM
Hi Sanj, thanks for your comment. I am thinking about the camera postion, if it is higher and angled down to see the bumper. I have some spacers cut at an angle for the camera to look down. Where is the damn TV box?
thanks.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: chas3 on December 12, 2010, 11:29:55 AM
Quote from: "otas"
Where is the damn TV box?
thanks.
It is down in the trunk, next to the battery, to the right hand side. You will have to take off the dome sitting over the battery and that black L shaped plastic cover that has "BMW" written over it.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on December 12, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/TV.jpg)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: otas on December 13, 2010, 09:23:50 AM
Thank you very much Sanj for the guidance AND picture, you rock!
otto
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Nat on December 13, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
Hi,

   I bought an approved used X5 4.8 iS and it has a reversing camera.
However....................ive had an issue with the radio, where some of the stations dont play and the station name is pixelated .
Car went in on friday , to have a routine service and have the radio issue attended to.
The dealer has returned the car with the remarks that ............" the reversing camera has corrupted the nav unit " and because the camera is not a BMW camera, they are refusing to touch it.
 Thats left me with a massive problem. I have a broken nav/radio unit, car is not repaireable under warranty even though I was sold it by a BMW  main dealer with a BMW AUC with the camera fitted at the time of sale.

Basically if you have a BMW warranty or perhaps any aftermarket warranty and your nav/radio unit fails, they may well use the fact that you have a non BMW part fitted as an excuse not to pay for repair.

That said, i like the reversing camera and its a very useful adddition.

Regards

Nat.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: lezmtaylor on December 13, 2010, 03:20:15 PM
They sold it 'as is' so it is their problem big time, go and screw them !!!
Gosh I'm really feeling Bolshie today.
Lez
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: lezmtaylor on December 13, 2010, 03:27:17 PM
Quote from: "lezmtaylor"
I drilled the bmw badge and fitted a barrel camera, don't look too bad , as has been seen at the Bristol meets.
No photos,can't do them.
Lez

You can easily get a reference point of the bumper by adjusting the angle of the camera body in the hole.
Lez
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: x555 on December 13, 2010, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: "Nat"
Hi,

   I bought an approved used X5 4.8 iS and it has a reversing camera.
However....................ive had an issue with the radio, where some of the stations dont play and the station name is pixelated .
Car went in on friday , to have a routine service and have the radio issue attended to.
The dealer has returned the car with the remarks that ............" the reversing camera has corrupted the nav unit " and because the camera is not a BMW camera, they are refusing to touch it.
 Thats left me with a massive problem. I have a broken nav/radio unit, car is not repaireable under warranty even though I was sold it by a BMW  main dealer with a BMW AUC with the camera fitted at the time of sale.

Basically if you have a BMW warranty or perhaps any aftermarket warranty and your nav/radio unit fails, they may well use the fact that you have a non BMW part fitted as an excuse not to pay for repair.

That said, i like the reversing camera and its a very useful adddition.

Regards

Nat.

Unless they stated any of that bs at the time of purchase i would take the car sraight back and tell them that they didn't sell you a car with proper bmw parts so it's there fault and there problem to sort.
If they don't i would ask them to take the car back and see what they say then.
That is unbelievable customer service that  :headbang:  :headbang:
Out of interest where was it bought from so no one else here gives them the buisness they don't deserve. :roll:
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on December 13, 2010, 09:26:31 PM
Hi Nat,

Hope you get this sorted but you're dealer is the first to suggest the camera is causing your SatNav fault??? No one else in the last 3 years has had any reason otherwise...

Wiring is an obvious issue to look at but I wouldn't hold much hope for the $tealer to figure this out.

I have the OEM camera docs somewhere, if you can post up a pic of your camera install I can see if it is OEM or not. If OEM at least you can go back to the dealer with that - they did do an OEM kit is the US...

Use x555's angle here - they are wrong not to help. Use the warranty to your advantage and fight it out - give them hell! They sold it to you as seen - they have to cover it all!

Feedback and I'll try to help (if I can)....
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Turks on December 14, 2010, 03:03:33 AM
Nat,

Do you have the original advert at the time of sale? Did it say on there 'reversing camera'?

Even if not, it is an AUC vehicle and they supplied it with the camera. You weren't to know that it wasn't a standard BMW item or that it may cause problems later on. You expect that a purchase of an AUC car from the Main Dealer to be one of the safest you can make and therefore you put all your trust in them that they were selling you a fully OEM car. Go back and give them hell :violent1: Write to BMW UK if you have to.


Turks.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Nat on December 21, 2010, 02:12:29 PM
Thanks for all the advice. i have phoned BMW UK..................that was over a week ago and I still havent had a reply, despite phoning back twice. It is utterly shamefull the way they r0are treating me, but no one seems to give a fcuk. The thing is, i am based in Sevenoaks, and I bought the car up in Edinburgh, so its not easy to take back.
 Personally, I think the nav/dvd unit ( which I am told is the culprit ) that has gone wrong. I dont think it has anything at all to do with the camera, but BMW UK have refused the claim on the basis that its not a BMW camera. So far they have agreed  hour of diagnostics on the 29/12..so Ill have to wait till then.
 On the minus side again , the n/s CV gaiter has split. Not covered under warranty as its " Too old ".
 This has been the most inconvenient and useless warranty I have ever had.
I really dont see the point of it. It seems to cover nothing.

Ill keep you posted

Regards

Nat.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on December 31, 2010, 03:53:38 PM
getting back to to the camera install guide,
i now have my camera fitted into the tailgate grab handle and run some wiring down to the boot area, but for the final part of connecting everything up, i could do with a few pointers as to connecting the video signal to the white connector as per the earlier diagram. the connectors pins dont appear numbered and i have no green wires in this loom, so how can i identify pins 13 and 14 of the connector?

cheers all!..
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on December 31, 2010, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: "fenj66"
the connectors pins dont appear numbered and i have no green wires in this loom, so how can i identify pins 13 and 14 of the connector?

cheers all!..

Hi fenj66,

They are numbered but only at the beginning and end of each side - then you have to count along to get pins 13 and 14...
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on January 04, 2011, 12:33:53 AM
hmmm! ok then, pins 13 and 14 are empty! i'm gonna have to source some pins from somewhere to get this project finished.. any ideas anyone?  :-)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: lezmtaylor on January 04, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
I have some pins off old wiring harness, let me know what you want,( Send me a pm) Will cost you the price of a stamp !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lez
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on January 04, 2011, 12:54:49 PM
hi lez, thank you for the kind offer.
after a lot of research late last night i found the pins on realoem and today my local stealer had them in stock @ £1.50 each, complete with wire tails. part number B61.13.0.005.197.
so hopefully i can now get this sucker sorted out! lol.  :lol:

cheers again.
fenj66
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on January 04, 2011, 05:45:54 PM
Ok, well with the good help of the OP’s ” how to” guide, i have now successfully fitted my reverse cam.
the only additions i would like to add to the original guide are :

the camera must be ntsc format. mine came from ebay, Item number: 220691346479

my camera was slightly different in that it stated it replaced the number plate light, but that looked like too much hacking out for me, but it did look like it would fit next to the number plate light with less trouble by hacksawing a cut out in the black plastic, as per photo.
my camera fitted there perfectly, albeit with a new hole drilled through the boot for the wires to pass through.
(http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab313/jfennell66/Image0063.jpg)

the wires were passed behind the plastic linings of the hatch and through the rubber grommet between hatch and body, into the passenger compartment headlining where they were routed down the plastic rear side window shroud, passing behind the cd changer and so down into the boot floor area. the rca plastic plug was cut off to aide passing the video wire through the grommet- it has to be cut off anyway to connect up later. a bit of silicone spray also helped getting the wires through the grommet!
(http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab313/jfennell66/Image0060.jpg)

connecting the video lead to the tv module was the hardest part as my blue and white connectors were pin-less, but the pins complete with fly wires were available from bmw at low cost.  3 pins were required. 2 for the video lead- pins 13 and 14 of white connector. and 1 for pin 17 of the blue connector.

following the original connections diagram was straightforward, and i would add that the reverse light positive wire is the white with yellow stripe wire in the boot area, as per photo.
(http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab313/jfennell66/Image0062.jpg)

all connected up and when reverse is selected, the camera comes up on the screen!
(http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab313/jfennell66/Image0064.jpg)

(http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab313/jfennell66/Image0061.jpg)

(http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab313/jfennell66/Image0059.jpg)

my camera needs tilting down a touch somehow as i would like to see all of my bumper for  a point of reference, also i dont know about the guide lines on show.....
but for a total layout of less than £40 i think this is a top mod!
now to sort out that useless aux heater!!  :)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on January 04, 2011, 07:17:24 PM
Nice job!

If you have the resler you can set NTSC or PAL on the car BUT yes be sure to get the NTSC if you have no mods on the car OR get one that is compatible with both types...
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: otas on March 20, 2011, 08:30:10 PM
Hi Sanj, you are such a guru on X5. I did not install the reversing camera yet, I was not well and it was cold... Now I am thinking of FLIR camera, which would be mounted in the front grille. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW_5qqvvJQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW_5qqvvJQ)
So if I want to have best of both worlds, than in order to switch on the display to FLIR I would need a switch simulating the reverse switch supply?
Do you think that would work?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: JF1980 on April 28, 2011, 04:11:56 PM
This looks like a simple way of doing it:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Reverse-Camera-BM ... 4cf594d930 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Reverse-Camera-BMW-E39-E53-E60-E61-E62-E90-E91-E92-/330537687344?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cf594d930)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on April 28, 2011, 06:00:56 PM
Quote from: "otas"
Hi Sanj, you are such a guru on X5. I did not install the reversing camera yet, I was not well and it was cold... Now I am thinking of FLIR camera, which would be mounted in the front grille. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW_5qqvvJQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW_5qqvvJQ)
So if I want to have best of both worlds, than in order to switch on the display to FLIR I would need a switch simulating the reverse switch supply?
Do you think that would work?

Hi Otas - apologies I missed this post...

No guru at all, such very sad...

No reason why this won't work, you can get both front and rear cameras wired up to the TV module and on a seperate switch, then you can select which you prefer to run - better that way. If you have the rear on the reverse light it could interupt the signal (i.e. switched manually for front camera and then you selected reverse), not sure what the outcome would be. Wouldn't wish for you to damage the car... (think it will just display no signal though).

When I was trying my first attempt I wired the camera up to a switch, so when the car was running I could get a pic on the screen, same principle if applied to the front camera.

Quote from: "JF1980"
This looks like a simple way of doing it:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Reverse-Camera-BM ... 4cf594d930 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Reverse-Camera-BMW-E39-E53-E60-E61-E62-E90-E91-E92-/330537687344?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cf594d930)

Hi JF  - it is but you will get the error on the OBD for the rear reg light being out EVERY time. It's not ideal for the X...
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: JF1980 on April 28, 2011, 07:55:18 PM
Really?  It says the light plugs in to the normal lead.  Any way to solve that, resistors or such like?  I'd really like to fit a reversing camera but don't want to hack lumps out of the trim and the lower position is no good as I occasionally tow.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on April 28, 2011, 08:01:15 PM
Deno 1 used the same camera and paid an absolute fortune to get it fitted and he gets the error.

Try it though, I may be wrong. Small outlay to test it. If it doesn't work, you've laid the wires already.

I wouldn't go for the lower position either, I like seeing the bumper in camera view up front. Oh and it's only a 'tiny' lump to take out really... :)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: lezmtaylor on April 28, 2011, 08:11:57 PM
I removed the bmw roundel and bought a carbon fibre roundel cut a hole to mount the camera and refitted.
Works fine.
Lez
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: JF1980 on April 29, 2011, 03:33:36 PM
Will I need PAL or NTSC?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on April 29, 2011, 03:56:32 PM
8 posts before this - NTSC ;)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: JF1980 on April 29, 2011, 05:56:40 PM
And that won't change if I get myself a digital TV tuner?  Just seems weird as only the US use NTSC.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: X5Sport on May 04, 2011, 04:51:31 PM
I think NTSC was chosen as the parts used OEM are American and the US is a major market for the E53 as it's built there.  Actually NTSC is used a lot more widely than people think.
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: wilkoturbo on May 15, 2011, 03:57:32 PM
Hi ive just fitted my rerverse cam works great when the keys are in but when the engine is running it flashers back and forth from nav screen to camara please help arrrrh

Regard
Paul
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: JF1980 on May 16, 2011, 12:12:43 AM
Loose connection?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: j2d on May 29, 2011, 08:33:31 AM
Hi,

Newbie here,

Will this work if I have DVD headrests fitted connected to AV in on the TV tuner?

John
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: wilkoturbo on May 29, 2011, 11:47:50 AM
I've just done this mod u will need this part
(http://tapatalk.com/mu/5284f84f-2437-59c7.jpg)
(http://tapatalk.com/mu/528488d1-2452-9245.jpg)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: j2d on May 29, 2011, 01:22:05 PM
What lead did you use to connect into your TV module to get an AV input/output?

When ur watching a DVD and put it into reverse does the rear view camera override the DVD picture on all the screens?

John
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: j2d on May 29, 2011, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: "wilkoturbo"
I've just done this mod u will need this part

(http://http://tapatalk.com/mu/528488d1-2452-9245.jpg)

Would I use the adaptor to put 2 video inputs into 1?  

Or

to put left and right DVD audio output into 1 input?

Or

Both??

John  :)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Dubs on June 20, 2011, 02:31:09 AM
Hi all, I am 2/3's through this, I have all the wiring into the back of the car and I'm ready to install the camera.

My Q: Do these 2 parts come apart easily? Is there any tips so I don't go caveman and try and wrench them apart?

(http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/sanjeevm1/100_0064.jpg)

Thanks

Dubs
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on June 20, 2011, 07:41:35 AM
It's all clipped together, get a few small flat-head screwdrivers and some patience...
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Dubs on June 22, 2011, 03:22:46 AM
Quote from: "Sanj"
It's all clipped together, get a few small flat-head screwdrivers and some patience...


Ta mate, looks like I've got something to do this weekend.

Dubs
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: cooa99 on August 20, 2011, 11:24:38 AM
hi guys,

I want to put in reverse camera on my 2005 3.0d X5 Sports as well.
It comes  with SatNav upfront

Having gone via all these posts, it looks like some of the reverse cameras available has changed over time

There seems to be a few on ebay and i dont know which to get.

Please links to  decent ones will be good
 
Thanks

cooa99
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on August 20, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
If you drop some links in here I can help you choose...

And try to go for the UK sellers.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: SimplyRed on November 09, 2011, 03:20:27 PM
Hi All,

I am new to this scene, always been an M3 owner and have now owned an X5 for 18 hours and I love it !!   2005 3.0d Sport. Sterling Grey.

Anyway, I love this modification but I just dont quite have the expertise or faith or DIY skills to do it.
Sanj, your write up makes it look so easy.  I just know after 10 minutes of starting i will wish i didnt.  :oops:

Can anyone recommend me someone in London (Enfield Area) who can do this for me.  
I called my local A/V installers and they said that they have no idea how to make it work with existing screen.

If any of you would like to do mine I am happy to pay going rate, you'd probably do a better job too.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on November 09, 2011, 08:48:15 PM
just reading this and will have to do it! whats the smallest camera and could it be monted on the bottom of the spoiler as i dont like the fact is visible lower down, also with the height it might be better to guage distance thanks
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on November 09, 2011, 09:00:10 PM
No - not in the spoiler, no camera I could see small enough.

Where the boot latch is, is fine. I can see the bumper in mine. Perfect.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on November 09, 2011, 09:10:37 PM
well ill get a camera, i thought spoiler as i dont want to see the camera, but ill see might just put where you have, nice how to sanj, would maplin sell the cameras? im going near there tmoro?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on November 09, 2011, 09:22:21 PM
Potentially - but don't hold your breath.

You need it to be similar in size to what I got 3rd time round. The recess it takes up means it must be small. eBay have them, not saying BMW specific, some say Toyota or such like, no bother, just make sure they're similar size looking. Plus look for metal and not plastic housing. Last better....

Don't go for the one's that come with the integrated reg plate light - too many stories of them showing up errors - plus you have to then get a bulb to match on the other side. Although for £2.50, no biggie - I have posted a link to them on this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2874&p=29228&hilit=plate#p29228 (http://www.xdrivers.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2874&p=29228&hilit=plate#p29228)


SimplyRed hope this helps you too.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: X MAN on November 10, 2011, 02:15:12 AM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAR-REAR-VIEW ... 3cbb27514c (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAR-REAR-VIEW-REVERSE-PARKING-CAMERA-BMW-X3-X5-X6-/260837953868?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbb27514c)

Sanj - Having installed a camera in the boot release and given the measurements for the camera in the above link would you say this camera will fit in the boot release with respect to the depth at the back of the camera ?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on November 10, 2011, 10:03:26 AM
The camera is different in that it has a threaded collar so they intend for it to fit to a flat surface. In the description they reckon over the reg light lens. Not a good idea (MOT failure too I think).

I put mine in the recess where one of the 4 attaching screws are for the whole rear latch piece. Routing the wires is also easier from there.

Let me take a look later today (time permitting) and I'll drop you a PM...
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Rusty on November 10, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Following Shadrack's line of thought, and knowing how much cr@p gets sprayed on the back of the X on a damp road :( , should a camera be mounted behind the towbar hatch, would that be less prone to spray whilst being out of sight and giving a reasonable view of the bumper?

Food for thought.


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on November 10, 2011, 08:59:11 PM
Nope - that was my first attempt - read the thread your arse! :poke:

No way of telling how far you're from something as you have none of the car in frame buddy. I was looking at an image looking outward with no idea where anything was in proximity to my rear???

My camera has been on the car a LONG time, before this thread and it's pretty weather proof. Besides a new one isn't too hard to get a hold of, with some careful searching! :thumbsup:
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Rusty on November 11, 2011, 01:58:15 AM
Quote from: "Sanj"
Nope - that was my first attempt - read the thread your arse! :poke:
Now that's just not a nice thing to say now is it :(

Quote from: "Sanj"
I was looking at an image looking outward with no idea where anything was in proximity to my rear???
:thumbsup:

Well, what can I say...... Prob because you had your head up it :rofl: lmfao :poke: :)



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Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Rusty on November 11, 2011, 01:59:42 AM
Back to the previous post #53, can you not see the bumper at the top of the pic if the camera is mounted low, and is the spray problem reduced?


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on November 11, 2011, 07:50:19 AM
Nope and nope...
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Rusty on November 11, 2011, 08:05:07 AM
Oh


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on November 17, 2011, 07:43:38 PM
any body know what gaude wire i need for wiring my camera up?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on November 19, 2011, 03:53:51 PM
i went to do this and myn has no wires in pins 13 or 14 or one of the others, do i need to buy some pins with wire tails or have you still got some lez :D thanks
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: mattyp on December 17, 2011, 09:18:53 AM
Does anyone have a link for which camera they bought?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on December 17, 2011, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: "mattyp"
Does anyone have a link for which camera they bought?

An updated link:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190603851612? ... 731wt_1185 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190603851612?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_2731wt_1185)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: mattyp on December 17, 2011, 12:56:50 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on January 15, 2012, 12:39:39 PM
my camera has one red and one yellow phono lead type connection so how do i know which is -/+ power and which is -/+ video
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on January 15, 2012, 04:47:41 PM
oh well sussed it out and got it wired, what a task it was epic!! took all day, i am siting my camera in the spoiler because you get the bottom of the rear window in view to gauge distance but the overall view is miles its like having a rear facing seat and windscreen!
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on January 22, 2012, 07:16:06 PM
got it finished today, its excellent in the spoiler you cant even see it and i get a view like a rear windscreen, yeh its no good for the final bit of parking but thats what my parking sensors are for but it works in the dark and can see miles, cant wait to use it with the trailer on!!
(http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g467/shadrack13/DSC00399.jpg)
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: dirtymonkey29 on January 22, 2012, 07:24:41 PM
Would be interested in a night shot to see what it's like in the dark
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on January 22, 2012, 07:32:49 PM
will put one up tomoro it shocked me. obviously it uses the reverse lights too but it was good
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: dirtymonkey29 on January 22, 2012, 07:46:26 PM
Nice 1
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on January 22, 2012, 07:50:11 PM
nice job!
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: scooby1doo1 on January 23, 2012, 04:59:23 PM
I think it's about time i fitted one of these i have reversed into another car a few months back, damage was £5 ish for the plastic PCD cover. Then last week i reversed in to a metal lamp post, thing is the sesors dont seem to work to well when wet or dirty.

So how long from start to finish to install one of these cameras.
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: dirtymonkey29 on January 23, 2012, 05:05:05 PM
Don't forget the night time pic
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on January 23, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: "scooby1doo1"
I think it's about time i fitted one of these i have reversed into another car a few months back, damage was £5 ish for the plastic PCD cover. Then last week i reversed in to a metal lamp post, thing is the sesors dont seem to work to well when wet or dirty.

So how long from start to finish to install one of these cameras.

with all the necessary parts in hand, it took me a good morning to fit. most of that time was removing the fiddly interior panels without breakage.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on January 23, 2012, 09:32:00 PM
took me 12 hours!! and im a spark however i can be abit anal snd every joint is solderd and heat shrinked and all woven into the cars loom so it looks totally oem as i cant see the wiring, must be why my towbar took a day to wire :(
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on January 23, 2012, 09:50:49 PM
It isn't a quick job.

You have to remove the interior bits to the top tailgate, bit of headlining, rear-most quarter panel trim, floor, spare, compressor, access to TV module, etc. So a bit of work there...
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: dirtymonkey29 on January 23, 2012, 09:53:43 PM
Sounds like a big job, I'll wait till I see the night pic before I make my mind up about fitting one
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on January 23, 2012, 09:56:58 PM
Night pic is black and white, more pixelated but you can see things. It does get thrown off if you get a bit of light in the pic, then you get a huge blur of white before the camera tries to re-adjust.

Still better than not having one. :thumbsup:
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: scooby1doo1 on January 23, 2012, 11:29:21 PM
Cheers

Seems like loads of hard work, is there such a thing as plug and play or an easy option.


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on January 24, 2012, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: "scooby1doo1"
Cheers

Seems like loads of hard work, is there such a thing as plug and play or an easy option.


there are - like wireless security cams :rofl: , u even get IR based stuff..
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: shadrack on January 24, 2012, 06:16:01 PM
yeh alot of work but worth it, i spent £12 camera, £2 relay, £4 on wire, 12 hours labour @ free, also where i located mine was new teratory so i had no instructions and it took abit of doing also if i used scotch locks and not solder no heats shrink and lashed it in i could have done it quicker but i was steady too like tea every half hour, but it must add a small amount on resale and also its the little things that make a car stand out when your selling it on :D
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on January 24, 2012, 08:22:05 PM
Quote from: "shadrack"
its the little things that make a car stand out when your selling it on :D

Damn right! :thumbsup:
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: scooby1doo1 on January 24, 2012, 08:44:17 PM
Ok so who want to fit one for me, I don't have no spare half days to fit one. I will supply you with hot drinks, or cold if that's what you like, full English and fish and chips.



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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on January 24, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
LOL! Too far for me and like you that many hours is so hard to come by at the mo!
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: scooby1doo1 on January 24, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
It's no lol it's a gen offer, no bull here. Just think full English yum yum, fish and chips for dinner, and as much drink as you can drink.

So if any body wants to take this limited time offer, it's first come first served basis  


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Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: scooby1doo1 on January 24, 2012, 10:34:15 PM
Red a post where some body wanted a cam in the BMW logo

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78544 (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78544)


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on January 24, 2012, 10:57:07 PM
Lezmtaylor has already done it. :)
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: scooby1doo1 on January 25, 2012, 12:15:47 AM
Only prob is that he dint do to good a job of drilling the hole in the centre of the logo.


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Rusty on January 25, 2012, 12:24:18 AM
Another mod I am considering. Trouble is, I too like to spend time making a reasonable job with the wiring and would prob take me 2 days to fit lol.
Do they make tiny 0 lux cameras with wipers on? I know the back of my X is the first place for dirt to land  :(
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Neil48is on February 07, 2012, 01:38:21 PM
Thought i'd post up a couple of pics of my camera install,managed to complete it in about half a day.The camera is an Ebay jobbie and is as small as i could possibly find so as to look OEM and very discreet.Its a PAL camera but with the help of Resler & Navcoder this wasn't a problem.

(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/neil2_ovt/Photo0019.jpg)
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/neil2_ovt/Photo0020.jpg)
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: wilkoturbo on February 07, 2012, 01:49:21 PM
I've bought a second cam how could I get it working on the caravan all fitted on on car is fine , was thinking the reverse lights don't work when caravan plugged in ?? Was hoping get the feed from caravan reverse light ??
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: X5Sport on February 07, 2012, 03:17:22 PM
Wireless is probably the easiest way.  There seem to be loads or these type systems on the web.

If you have 13-pin 'Euro' electrics fitted then (and check this carefully first) Pin 12 is not normally used - which is why you can use 12-core cable with Euro-plugs.  BMW may use it, or your caravan/trailer supplier may use it though - hence the check.

If the pin isn't used, then it is theoretically possible to use that pin to carry the video signal from a trailer camera to the car as long as you use a coaxial feed cable and the existing system uses the vehicle body as the ground side for the video system (ie the OEM video system is not isolated from the body but grounds via an insulated connection).  If the ground is the same then you could in theory feed the video down pin 12 and earth via the normal earth on Pin 3 (not 11 as that is for the secondary battery charging circuit only).  There may not be enough video signal for it to work, and you will still need a video switcher to swap the camera input.

Euro socket wiring diagram here:

http://uk-trailer-parts.co.uk/wiring-a-13-pin-euro-plug (http://uk-trailer-parts.co.uk/wiring-a-13-pin-euro-plug)

This is all theoretical, and your camera switcher could work automatically if it took and signal from say the caravan/trailer reversing light line to signal that camera 2 should be used instead of camera 1.  The actual components are not something I can help with, but something tells me you may well not be the first person to have asked this question - there might even be a ready made solution available.
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: wilkoturbo on February 07, 2012, 05:20:17 PM
I was hoping just to tap into the car reverse cam as when the 13 pin is connected the reverse lights don't work ( no need to ) so I could wire the relay up to the caravan reverse light ???!!!
Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Rusty on February 07, 2012, 09:51:43 PM
As there would be no feed to the car cam when there are no car rev lights on, if in theory you were to use the caravan rev lights to power the van cam with the vid back through the euro plug, you should be able to parallel wire the video as only one cam would be powered at a time.

That would make wiring easier.

Just a thought.


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Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: wilkoturbo on February 08, 2012, 08:52:06 AM
That's the one ! Anyone fancy drawing me a wiring diagram ?? ;-)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on November 04, 2012, 04:26:31 PM
just did a reverse cam install, thanks to this amazing thread

never felt that i needed one but the level of detail in the thread was so complete that i just felt like i had to give it a go! and of course mrs would love this and as for me that would potentially save my rear bumper!

total outlay: £29!! (£14 for the cam from fleabay, another £10 for a relay and wires from halfords, another ~£5 for 3 bmw pins).

lot of hrs and patience required to do a neat job with wires shielded and clipped to ensure they don't rattle around and are laid out like oem.

great mod for a small outlay, totally satisfying!

sanj, amazing find on the wiring diagram, that really is the crucial bit - how did u get hold of that? come to think of it a lot of ppl now have rear cams thanks to that find!

was 7c by the time i finished - i must be mad! no more x-mods until spring!

Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on November 05, 2012, 01:19:02 AM
 :-[
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: X5Sport on November 17, 2012, 08:47:46 PM
Now you just need the updated system with one in each front wing (to peak out at blind T-junctions) and two under the mirrors so you know you're in between the parking bay lines....... :P

Richard  ;)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: bullylad on January 08, 2013, 10:51:24 PM
Has anyone done this mod recently using the cameras that also combine and replace the reg plate light?

I notice that one of the earlier posts says that they can cause problems. Is this still the case?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on January 09, 2013, 09:40:03 AM
Hi and welcome to the forum!
 The eBay camera I used was a combined number plate light type. But I chose to not use it to replace the standard light but fitted it next to it instead without connecting up the light wiring.
I can only think the issue might be with the led type
Iight in the camera is that it gives error messages on the dashboard.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: bullylad on January 09, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
Hi Fenj, Thanks for the reply.

I have seen the type of camera you have fitted for sale but I can't understand how you connect the camera to the TV module in the back of the car.

I can see how the camera gets its power supply but in all the photos I have seen advertising reversing cameras they appear to have some sort of yellow 'AVI' connector to plug into a monitor in order to get the picture.

How do you change this connector into something that can communicate with the 18 pin connectors and get the picture on the screen in the front. Or have I mis understood it?

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on January 09, 2013, 10:34:33 AM
i dont know if there is such a connector that will fit onto the yellow plug and leave 2 wires exposed for connecting to the tv module.
but i just cutt off the yellow plug and binned it. then opened up the two wires to splice/connect into the wiring for the tv module.
hope this helps..
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: bullylad on January 09, 2013, 10:43:39 AM
Yeah brilliant! that is was I hoped you would say. It makes a lot more sense now.

One final thing. Did you fit the relay as suggested or did it work without?

many thanks.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on January 09, 2013, 10:58:11 AM
i did use a relay in the first place so not sure if it works without.
one more thing, i originally used scotch lock connectors but these were not up to the job giving dodgy connections so better to solder connections if you can. good luck its a great mod!
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: bullylad on January 09, 2013, 11:45:12 AM
Damn! This is the first time I had come across the Scotchlock connectors and thought they were a really good idea.
Obviously too good to be true?

I might even try the wireless camera systems that are available. If they don't work there is nothing really lost.

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: james8whippy on January 09, 2013, 12:00:31 PM
Hey Guys,

Does anyone know if this relay would be suitable?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-40AMP-4-Pin-Relay-with-Base-4-Terminals-/160869834803?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item257496e033 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-40AMP-4-Pin-Relay-with-Base-4-Terminals-/160869834803?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item257496e033)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: fenj66 on January 09, 2013, 01:30:04 PM
Hey Guys,

Does anyone know if this relay would be suitable?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-40AMP-4-Pin-Relay-with-Base-4-Terminals-/160869834803?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item257496e033 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-40AMP-4-Pin-Relay-with-Base-4-Terminals-/160869834803?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item257496e033)

Thanks!

i should think that will do nicely!
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: james8whippy on January 09, 2013, 01:32:11 PM
Perfect Thanks!
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on January 09, 2013, 03:41:04 PM
welcome aboard bullylad

if i'm not too late to the party, i used a camera like this one (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-13-BMW-X5-E53-E70-CMOS-NTSC-Car-Backup-Rear-View-Waterproof-Reverse-Camera-/170761846327?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27c232fe37). fitted in nicely into a round hole. you even get the hole saw. only the plastic trim needs drilling.

the cam works well and allows me to gauge relative to the car as  it shows the bumper slightly along with my  tow hook .

i wouldn't muck around with the number plate light just in case the mot rules become stricter and become an issue... regardless the left and right number plate lights would look out of balance...

re. the relay - i'd fix a relay anyways as that isolates the circuit which is the better thing to do.

tricky part is the amount of panels that have to be taken off and the wiring.. also make sure that you tuck in the wires nicely so that they don't rattle inside the panels later on. i taped all the wires although inside and also tied them along the way.

great mod. send pictures  :camera:

oh btw re. scotchlocks: usually great, i've used all over (amp/sub, webo, reverse cam power feed etc..), have had no issues so far. did not use for the reverse cam video feed - the wires were too flimsy for scotchlocks so i didn't want to take a chance and soldered it to avoid any kind of nonsense.. it was easy enough to do as the 2 pins that go into the socked for the  video feed had to be newly sourced as well from bmw. so the soldering could be handled outside the car without breaking my back in there!

Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Reusch on January 09, 2013, 07:33:20 PM
Are these any good 160947392900 on e-bay.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on January 09, 2013, 09:58:56 PM
the benefit of wireless is great if the wired alternative is to  run a wire all the way to the head unit at the front of the car.

with E53s the benefit is less because the video module is in the boot and all you need to wire is into the boot.

therefore i discounted going wireless when i did this mod.

said that, wiring that much itself is the biggest job in this mod, so might be worth it.

one question though - how do you power the camera? in the advert it says:
'3:Connect the built-in license plate light of the camera to where the stock
license plate light was connected to get the power.'

should work if the + of the number plate light is permanently on and its the negative that is switched. i'm not sure.

other potential  issue could be interference..

Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Reusch on January 09, 2013, 10:33:51 PM
I think the wired version then for me.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: bullylad on January 09, 2013, 11:12:06 PM
Many thanks for the advice Jaynana. I too had narrowed my search down to the same camera as Reusch which is the wireless version of the one you pointed out.

Going to have a think about wireless v wired option. Only problem seems to be getting a day without it raining long enough so I can take the panels off and route the wires?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Steamyrotter on January 10, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
And if you are mad (??) then put an extra switched feed in so that you can link to a camera on the back of the caravan / trailer etc...

Must admit a lot easier with an after market setup.

Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on January 10, 2013, 10:41:31 PM
does the camera go off when the trailer is hooked?

is there any way to prevent that?

i have a (tiny) ERDE 122. never hooked it up after fitting the reverse cam so i don't know.

pretty sure it will be helpful to have the cam working when the trailer is hooked up..

Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Steamyrotter on January 11, 2013, 01:02:38 PM
As its an after market install i ran 2 feeds to teh front so that the reversing cameras can be selected, by a toggle switch, to display on both front monitors

That way i can select which camera i want to see when reversing, or when towing the passenger can keep an eye on the road behind the caravan.

Didn't bother connecting that to the rear screens as why would the back seat passengers want to see what i backed into??!!
 :'( >:D
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: marlin758 on March 10, 2013, 02:08:13 PM
Back in post 34 Wilkoturbo reports a problem .

I have exactly the same problem in that with the  ignition on and car in reverse the camera works perfectly , start the engine however and the screen alternates between the camera and whatever screen was displaying ( sat nav, phone etc. )  at approx 2 second intervals .

 Anyone any ideas ?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Steamyrotter on March 11, 2013, 01:22:19 PM
First thing i'd check is the supply to the camera under those circumstances.

Inadvertantly wired mine to the IBUS supply and had some funny responses from that...!!!
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: marlin758 on March 11, 2013, 03:19:32 PM
Thanks , it must be something like that .

I have been puzzling it out and think that I may not have actually connected to earth the wiring that goes from pins 30 and 86 on the relay , pin10 on the tv module and the negative to the camera in Sanj's  diagram.

I'm not certain but  think that may be the case.

I have just been out to check but decided it's too cold to start removing the spare wheel etc. and I can't get in the garage for rolls of loft insulation ( don't ask )  :-[
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: marlin758 on March 13, 2013, 11:44:41 AM
Yep , that was it ! Put an earth in and working great .

Thanks for a really useful 'How to' Sanj   :)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on June 16, 2013, 06:50:56 PM
Alternate method of activating the reverse camera based on the PDC rather than on the reverse light

I had previously done the reverse camera mod as per the tread, it all worked fine, except i noticed an occasional flicker on the screen. others have noticed running lines across the screen. This flicker/running lines come up only when the car is started. NOT when the key is in position 2 with the engine off.

some have suspected NTSC/PAL issues. I suspected the BMW bulb check, but eventually found out the reason to be very different.


Reason for the flicker/running lines: when the engine is running the LCM continuously sends a PWM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation) to the lights. Purpose of this is to regulate the light output whilst the input voltage varies with the alternator, other electronics coming on/off etc. the PWM sends the relay mad!

Outcome really depends on the characteristics of the specific relay.. most often its not a problem. in my case i had an occasional flicker on the screen. When i dug up into the boot where the relay is mounted, i realized that the PWM made the relay go 'TRRRRRRRR'.. when the car is started and put into reverse, which is what was causing the flicker.

Solution Implemented:
Switch the auto-activation of the reverse camera from the reverse light to the PDC.

Pros:
- its a clean +12v feed with engine on/off, so no flicker/running lines
- camera can also be manually activated with the PDC button

Cons:
- none really.. other than the screen stays in reverse camera mode until you drive off and the PDC gets switched off automatically

How:
Everything remains as documented in this thread, except, where i had previously tapped onto the reverse light wire, instead, i now tapped onto the PDC 'on' wire, at the PDC Controller.

here's how:

remove the black socket (X300) going into the PDC module, shown below: (http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee438/jaynana777/Reverse%20Camera/IMG-20130616-00637_zpscaae3130.jpg) (http://s1227.photobucket.com/user/jaynana777/media/Reverse%20Camera/IMG-20130616-00637_zpscaae3130.jpg.html)

Brown/White wire, going into Pin 7 is what i'm after, shown below:
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee438/jaynana777/Reverse%20Camera/IMG-20130616-00639_zps459a9723.jpg) (http://s1227.photobucket.com/user/jaynana777/media/Reverse%20Camera/IMG-20130616-00639_zps459a9723.jpg.html)

Tap onto this, and power the relay with this.

job done! now I have the reverse camera working off the PDC instead of the reverse light!


Other changes i did:
1. PCB Relay
whilst investigating this, i was also given a caution against using standard automotive relays. this is because they draw a certain amount of power and the LCM transistors proving power to the reverse lights could 'feel the pain'.

so i bought this sort of PCB relay (http://www.maplin.co.uk/2a-sub-miniature-relays-37525), mounted it on a PCB and put it in a box, as below:
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee438/jaynana777/Reverse%20Camera/IMG-20130616-00638_zps51d92c4d.jpg) (http://s1227.photobucket.com/user/jaynana777/media/Reverse%20Camera/IMG-20130616-00638_zps51d92c4d.jpg.html)

the PCB relay has about 300ohms of resistance compared to the 40ohms i measured in my outgoing standard automotive relay. this would put minimal additional load on the PDC controller.

2. manual override/activation switch
i used to have a real problem when i hooked up my ERDE 122 trailer to the car because the trailer wasn't  visible from the side mirrors or the rear view mirror! worse - if the reverse camera is linked to the reverse lights it gets deactivated when a trailer is hooked up.

figured a manual activation/override on the reverse cam would be ideal! i ran a wire from the relay's output (which connects with pin 17 in the video module) to a switch on the dash, fitted as below:
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee438/jaynana777/Reverse%20Camera/2013-06-16133637_zpsc46550a4.jpg) (http://s1227.photobucket.com/user/jaynana777/media/Reverse%20Camera/2013-06-16133637_zpsc46550a4.jpg.html)

hidden in the ashtray when closed (plus already had a hole there as i had my aux audio input port there.. which i got rid of..)
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: LincsX5 on June 17, 2013, 10:04:18 AM
This is still on my to-do list but I'll be using the PDC supply now. As for the Con, does it de-activate if you turn PDC off with the button?
Was it this kind of relay http://www.maplin.co.uk/pcb-mount-low-profile-10a-relays-2512 it has a coil resistance of 400 Ohms.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on June 18, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
it does activate and de-activate when you on/off PDCs with the PDC switch. so that is quite handy too.. to activate and de-activate it manually.

relay is something like the one you've shown. tbh i just can't pin point exactly what i bought because i just walked into a maplin and talked to one of the nice ladies there and picked up a relay lol. but its something like what you've shown..

Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: LincsX5 on June 18, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
Thanks, definitely handy that.  I soon as I get the garden finished and get the skip off the drive I'll be tackling this mod.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: psychosis on July 21, 2013, 07:53:12 PM
Almost embarrassed to admit this but I'm struggling to remove the tailgate grip piece to start fitting my camera. I have undone the 4 t20 screws but can't seem to get the handle to move at all. I am very concerned about breaking anything but are there any clips etc? Any tips for removing this?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on July 22, 2013, 10:23:26 PM
from memory (which prob has faded - its been a while) there were no clips and nothing else holding it in..
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on July 22, 2013, 10:54:38 PM
There are none, just the 4 screws then it falls out. Prise it out wards with something plastic (trim removal tool, if u have one)?
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: psychosis on July 22, 2013, 11:07:56 PM
I do have a trim removal tool that I was using. Will have another try. At least there are no clips to break. Cheers guys.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on June 14, 2014, 09:58:55 PM
Hi sanj, what is the spec of the relay you used???


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on June 15, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
Hi sanj, what is the spec of the relay you used???

Try this (http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/169/category/36).
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on June 15, 2014, 02:29:30 PM
Great thanks sanj seen one in maplins roughly the same price, just worked out I'm gonna have to split my RCA connector to +/- to connect up to the tv module!


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on June 15, 2014, 02:47:15 PM
Sanj if I use the relay will I still get the canbus error if I use the led light supplied with the light?? I've just spoken to the seller who instals them and basically said don't listen to forums but take it to him and he would have a go at fitting it for a pretty Hefty fee!! Lol  the instructions look pretty crisp and sorta regret not going down your route of the separate camera now. Here is the eBay item number 400722316021 can you have a look and see what you think??

Cheers

Craig


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on June 15, 2014, 04:07:35 PM
That will give you the error for sure. Not because of the relay but because of the LED bulb (unless it's error free). Do a dry fit and test it - will be interesting to see how that gets installed where the current lights are (there's not much room there and the holder is quite big).
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on June 15, 2014, 05:46:17 PM
Yeah I spoke to the supplier sort of today on a bad line and he didn't answer the question of canbus errors. Is there a way round this? Can I mimic the Oem installation and fool the canbus into thinking that the conventional bulb is fitted?? Is it a resistance issue??


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Title: Re: New 2 bmw
Post by: Sanj on June 15, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
It is a resistance issue, but the space in there is hugely restricted. If you can send the unit back, do so. Dispute it as sending you errors and Paypal should settle in your favour. Then get the one like mine.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on June 16, 2014, 08:33:16 AM
Sanj how did you get it leak tight and can't actually see yr type, I have looked


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Title: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 05, 2014, 03:46:03 PM
Hey does anyone know what size the bushing connectors are on the tv module blue and white connectors? Are they 0.5 or 0.75mm, does any they have spare I could buy as my dealers are being very unhelpful?? Cheers


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: X5Sport on July 06, 2014, 10:14:19 PM
Have a look on Realoem for the connector parts and pin sizes.  That way you can present the dealer with the part number...... :)

They hate that.....

Richard
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 06, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
Cheers Richard I've got the part numbers for both sizes after being told you cant fit a reverse camera, only bmw can fit them, to Those parts don't exist tocan't get them without the connector to we may be able to order but don't know how long to okay we will order this time!! Just would like to order the correct ones as I really don't want to have to go back the parts numpty who thinks he's part of the elite due to wearing bmw top


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Greydog on July 09, 2014, 07:20:15 AM
I brought an AV interface cable from Ebay so I could upgrade the TV to Digital it came with a camera trigger wire complete with pin connector just needed fitting into the vacant position on the plug simple job.



Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 09, 2014, 04:55:47 PM
Sanj et al, looking at your wiring diagram, I am about to install my camera but have been speaking to the camera supplier who suggests that its not good to have their camera permanently powered as it will decrease the life. Do I need the -ve connection to pin 10 on the Blue connector? I'm a bit thick when it comes to Electrics so can I leave this off and just have power supplied to the camera via pin 17 when the relay is energised from the reverse light??

Cheers

Craig
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on July 09, 2014, 05:17:43 PM
Go by the diagram first. Then when you know it all works, drop the connection to pin 10 and see what happens.

The camera will not die, mine has been on there 4 years now and no issue. It will be on only whilst the car is on.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 09, 2014, 05:25:20 PM
Cheers will try that, I never do anything the easy way :)


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 14, 2014, 02:16:56 PM
So I've had a go at doing this and have some issues, the camera I have has 4 built I LEDS around the lens and they are supposed to come on when the camera is activated but these are constantly powered (using the Wiring Diagram from Sanj). Should this be happening? well I know it shouldn't in reality but by using the wiring diagram will this happen, if so is there a way around this? I don't fancy flattening the battery through this. The camera manufacturer suggested using the relay wired like this using the +ve for switching rather than the -ve. what impact does this have on BMW X5 installs?


(http://i57.tinypic.com/15xa152.jpg)

Cheers

Craig
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Greydog on July 15, 2014, 07:49:54 AM
Morning Craig
If you look at Sanj's drawing the Relay is powered from the Reverse lights. The Relay provides switched negative for the Monitor and Camera. The Camera power is provided from pin 1 of the Blue Video/TV unit.

When Reverse is selected the Relay is powered completing the circuit, Camera is on and Monitor switched to reverse mode.
Reverse not selected no power to the Relay no circuit so camera is off as is reverse mode for the Monitor.
If the ignition is off there is no power to the Relay or the Video unit so no power to the camera. As your LED's are integral to the Camera the same should apply to them.

I hope this makes sense
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 15, 2014, 08:10:35 AM
Thanks for that explanation, I don't know if I'm complicating things by taking my power supply from the PDC (as explained earlier in this thread). Will have another go today

Cheers


Craig
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on July 15, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
I say exactly what Greydog said!  :-[

Be careful with the PDC for source, could cause disturbance to the camera picture (think that's why it wasn't recommended when I did mine).
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 15, 2014, 03:54:31 PM
Oh right will have another go, only chose the PDC source as someone said the CANBUS system on the lights can give interference


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on July 15, 2014, 04:14:38 PM
Oh right will have another go, only chose the PDC source as someone said the CANBUS system on the lights can give interference

Works for me...
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 15, 2014, 04:17:07 PM
Hmm better start looking for my reverse light +ve now then ha ha


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 15, 2014, 09:08:14 PM
Well having failed on that attempt and blowing a 5 amp fuse (thank god it wasn't the tv module) I think I'm gonna bin this camera or try it from the reverse light! It's the only camera with a resistor from 12-3.5v and common ground etc I've seen. Trust me to get something different


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Greydog on July 17, 2014, 02:26:41 PM
Hi Craig
You do seem to be struggling with this one mate. The power feed for the reverse lights is a blue/yellow wire you will find a small loom from the lower tailgate into the boot just right of centre. That is where I took my power from with a 5amp fuse inline to protect everything, then follow Sanj's diagram.
I would do that and test before mounting the camera (unless of course you have already done that) Even if you bin the camera still stick with Sanj's diagram, it really does work.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 17, 2014, 07:10:11 PM
I know I just don't understand it, even the electrician at work is struggling to understand what the problem is? Maybe I've knacked the camera by chopping the wires and cutting out the inline resistor (oops) but it's soldered back in. Just got this diagram


(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/18/ejuvu9eb.jpg)

So gonna make sure everything is alright tomorrow and get the spark to check connections etc as something is odd with this one. Thanks for help lads


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Zakbelle on July 18, 2014, 07:31:39 PM
Oh well traced the fault to the bloody camera!!! Different type ordered, at least the wiring is there now :)


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sharry on November 15, 2017, 08:23:15 PM
Good evening all
It looks like you all have had fun installing camera, does any one have the diagrams Sanj’s has uploaded so i can have a look that would very appreciated
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: Sanj on May 18, 2018, 02:22:53 PM
Good evening all
It looks like you all have had fun installing camera, does any one have the diagrams Sanj’s has uploaded so i can have a look that would very appreciated

My pictures are back! I did nothing but was looking to get this fixed, looks like Photobucket have started to support hosting of pictures again....?

I'll check my other How To's.
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on May 18, 2018, 04:34:41 PM
Good evening all
It looks like you all have had fun installing camera, does any one have the diagrams Sanj’s has uploaded so i can have a look that would very appreciated

My pictures are back! I did nothing but was looking to get this fixed, looks like Photobucket have started to support hosting of pictures again....?

I'll check my other How To's.

and since when are YOU back?  :D :hi:
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: X5Sport on May 18, 2018, 05:42:45 PM
About a month ago.......keep up at the back  :))
Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: jaynana on May 18, 2018, 08:04:04 PM
About a month ago.......keep up at the back  :))


Lol.  Guess spring is in the air and it's time to come out of hibernation. Or is it the royal wedding


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Title: Re: Reverse Camera Install (E53)
Post by: datadave on July 16, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
looking at the wiring diagram for the relay is really confusing me. I thought pin 30 was always the +ve feed from battery????